Comments on: Are we overthinking cycling? https://www.archtam.com/blog/are-we-overthinking-cycling-2/ ArchTam Tue, 25 Jul 2017 14:22:09 +0000 hourly 1 https://wordpress.org/?v=6.8.3 By: Jake Herson https://www.archtam.com/blog/are-we-overthinking-cycling-2/#comment-4283 Fri, 17 Jan 2014 17:32:44 +0000 https://www.archtam.com/blogs/are-we-overthinking-cycling-2/#comment-4283 Lea – thanks, a great point that we can’t take away from pedestrians to give to cyclists. In my ideal world, walkways are designed so that pedestrians yield to no one. Cycleways likewise. Public transit does the heavy lifting. Cars are electric, and kept out of the urban core with the exception of emergency vehicles, those for handicapped and elderly people, and perhaps taxis. In the pre-separate infrastructure world of today, I think everyone needs to play by the same rules with the understanding that cyclists are vehicles but not cars. So the pedestrian waits for the walk light. The cyclist stops at the red light or crosswalk, and the driver takes care not to kill either one of them! Certainly atrocious what happened in the project you reference, where dedicated pedestrian space was given over to cyclists. Very unfortunate. Progress for one group that takes it away form another is not progress, I would say. How to find the right balance? How to set just priorities? How to meld today with tomorrow?

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By: Lea https://www.archtam.com/blog/are-we-overthinking-cycling-2/#comment-4284 Thu, 16 Jan 2014 23:29:15 +0000 https://www.archtam.com/blogs/are-we-overthinking-cycling-2/#comment-4284 A great article Rachel. And some interesting responses . . .

Jake – “One can’t simply take the attitude of “I’m inherently more sustainable – get out of my way!”
And “This would let people know how to interact properly, and it would also send the message that this is something people need to learn and pay attention to. When drivers and pedestrians start to see bikes as a legitimate player on the road, rather than a nuisance one hopes not to encounter, the interactions will be safer and more courteous.”

As I read and note these comments I am reminded of the urban cycle way strategy in a particular shire of the sunshine coast where councils have given over to cyclists demands to build and accommodate more cycle ways . . . at the expense of pedestrian access. And the anecdotal “proper” interactions of cyclists.

In a society where there are many dictating economic factors outside the purview of the “cyclist getting to their endpoint, sustainably and in the least amount of time, at the expense of those ignorant pedestrians, are we not missing a simple common courtesy, read-other people who may be hard of hearing, parents, grandparents or carers with prams who regularly utilise the pedestrian ways (which were by the way removed and replaced with cycle ways for the benefit of the cyclists)

Whist we are making some headway in terms of urban cycle way infrastructure and in the field of the communication of cyclists right,s we should not forget the return of the common courtesy to those who do the sustainable tango every day; trying to manoeuvre prams, walking frames and wheelchairs where once there was a pedestrian crossover . . .

Were our cities’ infrastructure and planning, history and social fabric inherently similar to that of Copenhagen, Kyoto or Amsterdam it may be that I could ride my Omafiets Dutch Cargo bike to work each day . . . albeit at 5km on the Bruce Highway from the Sunshine Coast to Brisbane on a safe cycle way . . . dare I say somewhat safer than the said pedestrian way, now given over to cyclists.

(Footnote – this common access path had the pedestrian symbol removed and replaced with a cycle only symbol, and this is the only access way from point A to point B. I would also like to add the said “pram pushing grandmother” DID go to council to bother them about the bias nature of the new arrangement)

In this participatory world we should also acknowledge our co-participants sustainable actions, however humble or slow.

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By: Jake Herson https://www.archtam.com/blog/are-we-overthinking-cycling-2/#comment-4285 Tue, 14 Jan 2014 13:41:39 +0000 https://www.archtam.com/blogs/are-we-overthinking-cycling-2/#comment-4285 I had some thoughts after my first true urban cycling experience – riding a Boris bike in London, so-called because the mayor actively supports them. It’s a great program in which you can rent a bike from numerous locations and return it at a different location. Inexpensive too. I found a decent amount of bike lanes – although sometimes it was a protected area and other times just a bicycle symbol painted on the pavement between the parked cars and the zooming traffic! Certainly more “bicycle infrastructure” would help. But what most struck me – in terms of something that could be done perhaps more easily and less expensively by cities – is a matter of knowledge and attitude.

Riding the bike, one quickly finds oneself at the bottom of the totem pole. Both cars and pedestrians expect the cyclist to yield. Now, there are rules to govern these interactions. But many people don’t know them – or don’t feel that they need to know them. Pedestrians cross the road casually any time they want. Cars zoom around bicycles as if relishing the assertion of their size and power. I can see why cyclists get frustrated, but cycle rage does not help the cause. One can’t simply take the attitude of “I’m inherently more sustainable – get out of my way!”

I think cities need to start clearly communicating the rules of the road governing pedestrians, cyclists, and cars. This would let people know how to interact properly, and it would also send the message that this is something people need to learn and pay attention to. When drivers and pedestrians start to see bikes as a legitimate player on the road, rather than a nuisance one hopes not to encounter, the interactions will be safer and more courteous.

We have to deal with things as they are now while I hope we can move toward a point where cars are the least desirable option within the urban core – or not an option at all.

As it is, I was impressed with the Boris bikes and the London bike lanes. I found the prospect of urban cycling on the whole somewhat dicey – and rather fun.

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By: Heinrich Benz https://www.archtam.com/blog/are-we-overthinking-cycling-2/#comment-4286 Mon, 13 Jan 2014 07:06:10 +0000 https://www.archtam.com/blogs/are-we-overthinking-cycling-2/#comment-4286 Nice piece of writing, Rachel. Thanks.

I do not know if we are “overthinking”.

I think we need to keep talking about the issues, nurture and progress attempts at getting more people cycling (even if we might not agree 100% with some of the measures …). And we need to provide a good example ourselves, riding our bicycles whenever practical, in normal clothes, to meetings etc. Being tolerant and positive about what we do.

We might never be like Copenhagen (cycling in snow, anybody?), but who cares? Personally I don’t care if people cycle or not, I just wish they would use cars a tiny bit less often … Organisations such as yours play a huge role in setting directions for the world our kids will live in. Play that role to your best ability. Keep writing.

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By: mark https://www.archtam.com/blog/are-we-overthinking-cycling-2/#comment-4287 Sun, 12 Jan 2014 10:52:16 +0000 https://www.archtam.com/blogs/are-we-overthinking-cycling-2/#comment-4287 I use a robot vacuum cleaner so I can do more cycling!

The action to thought ratio for cycling is probably much less than for other transport modes. Maybe because we think about each mode in isolation, modes like cycling and walking are thought of as nice to haves and easier to cut from project scope. This is not the case in countries with higher cycling mode share.

It would be helpful if politicians received a more consistent and positive message from bicycle advocates. Damned if you do and damned if you don’t is not a good way to get political traction to make the brave steps towards cheap low cost significant action, i.e. reducing on-street car parking.

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